Weekly Responses
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Topic: The Roman Aristocratic Matron
Due: Sun Nov 24
Prompt: What do this week’s primary source readings tell us about ideas of gender behing the Romans’ legends of their own cultural origins?
The documents for this week are:
For your online response this week, choose one of the primary source readings and write a post that includes the following:
- Which reading did you pick? If there’s a reason it interested you, what was it?
- What passage or detail in particular jumped out at you as you read through it?
- What do you think the author was trying to communicate?
- In your opinion, what is this document telling us about the time and place it comes from?
- What about this document seems to relate to, support, or even contradict our other readings about this time and place?
- What would you like to find out more about?
Responses for Week 11
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Alassane Sibane
840
2024-12-01 19:52:29
i chose the rape of Lucretia.Despite being innocent of any wrongdoing, Lucretia's unwavering devotion to her sense of honor and virtue is one remarkable feature that drives her to commit suicide to remove the stain of disgrace. Political unrest was sparked by this terrible and potent deed, demonstrating the significant social influence of individual virtue and selflessness in Roman civilization. The story emphasizes how closely public consequences and individual morality are entwined. Through Lucretia's tragic tale, the author most likely sought to emphasize the deep themes of honor, virtue, and the significance of selflessness in Roman society. The story highlights the lasting influence of personal integrity on collective history by connecting individual moral decisions to more significant societal change by showing how her acts led to the overthrow of the monarchy and the establishment of the Roman Republic. This paper depicts a Roman society that was firmly rooted in ideas of honor, family reputation, and virtue, where social and political stability were connected with individual morality. The Lucretia narrative highlights the pressures on women to exhibit these qualities as well as the societal repercussions of perceived shame. It also emphasizes the shift from monarchy to the Republic in Rome, when a rejection of tyranny was fuelled by personal sacrifice. This story illustrates how individual acts could spark social change. This document supports alternative interpretations demonstrating the value placed on honor, morality, and group identity in early Roman society. The story of Lucretia highlights the Roman belief in moral principles guiding political progress, much like stories of the origin myths of Rome, including Romulus and Remus. Highlighting the strict and frequently harsh demands placed on women, it may also contrast with other viewpoints and provide insight into gender roles. Roman historical accounts frequently touch on this harmony between individual virtue and group effort.I'd like to learn more about the various interpretations of the Lucretia myth and how it influenced Roman historical conceptions of gender, power, and civic morality. Furthermore, being aware of how her story impacted subsequent political and cultural movements.
Response for week 11
Marlene Mata
820
2024-11-30 01:03:42
The reading I picked this week was the Rape of Lucretia. The reason I picked this reading was due to the interest I had in how Romans would perceive and handle rape. A detail that jumped out to me was Lucretia's husband, Tarquinius Conlatinus; not only was he happy to brag about his spouse. He also loved her dearly; this was confusing, as if I assume their marriage was political or arranged, as many high noble Romans were, yet Lucrezia was very loved.
I believe the author was trying to communicate the fall of Rome but also the ideals that they perpetuated and valued, whether that be not harming women, not harming anyone in power, or even the ideals of Rome that were portrayed by a woman so well, yet she was harmed and mistreated by evil. I believe this reading can show a lot, but more importantly, that Rome stood as one and fell as one. In my opinion, this document is telling us about a time when values were everything, those values being family, religion, and power, themes that still emerge in daily life today.
This document seems to relate and support our theories of women that we have studied, that being they were valued especially when virginal and pure. That men are often the root and cause of misfortune in their lives due to temptation and often blaming said women for the temptation they themselves feel.
I would like to continue to find out about the fall of Rome, although I know little about the topic. I believe it is valuable, as it was a great, powerful nation, so one has to wonder.
Week 11
Christopher Varian
815
2024-11-26 14:26:07
The Capture of the Sabine Women and the retelling of the story within Roman culture points to the importance they place on females in the familial context. The Romans construct an elaborate plot to capture women to help populate Rome for the future. After the Sabine women have been taken their fathers return armed ready to make war on Rome to win them back. The Sabine women have come to see the Roman men as their lawful husbands and intervene. The Sabine women stand between the two warring sides and tell them they would rather die than see either their fathers or husbands killed in battle. The Sabine women are exalting a virtue that is highly prized in Roman culture and that is the matron who is totally devoted to her family and Roman life The Sabine women were not even native Romans, but that sense of family and duty was so strong in Rome that the Sabine women also adopted these qualities. Women are the protectors of life; they form the nucleus of the Roman family.
Response for Week 11
Yvelise Peña
809
2024-11-24 23:12:33
Which reading did you pick? If there’s a reason it interested you, what was it?
I choose The Rape of Lucretia by Livy because of its significance as a crucial tale in Roman history that links human sorrow to the political evolution of Rome. The interplay of personal virtue, ethical dilemmas, and social turmoil captivated me, especially how one occurrence could instigate such a significant transformation.
What passage or detail, in particular, jumped out at you as you read through it?
The most notable element was Lucretia's choice to end her life to prevent setting a precedent of disgrace for women. Her assertion, “No woman shall use Lucretia as her example in dishonor,” is compelling, underscoring her acceptance of cultural norms around purity and honor, despite her innocence in the matter.
What do you think the author was trying to communicate?
Livy appears to convey many messages:
The principles of chastity, fidelity, and honor, were fundamental to Roman identity.
The deleterious impact of tyranny is shown by Sextus Tarquinius's use of authority and absence of moderation. An overarching theme of justice and the necessity of safeguarding the moral integrity of society corresponded with the principles of the Roman Republic. The narrative serves as a moral allegory and a rationale for the usurpation of the monarchy, highlighting the ethical ascendancy of the Republic over the despotism of kingship.
In your opinion, what is this document telling us about the time and place it comes from?
This text illustrates a culture that esteemed virtue and dignity, especially for women, as essential to social order. It also demonstrates a profound skepticism towards centralized authority and an emphasis on the necessity of responsibility for leaders. The tale illustrates the conflict between individual ethics and societal justice, indicating that Rome's transition from monarchy to republic was perceived as a moral imperative.
What about this document seems to relate to, support, or even contradict our other readings about this time and place?
This article pertains to overarching themes of morality and leadership in early Roman history. It endorses notions of Roman skepticism towards royalty, as seen in literature such as Polybius’s Histories, which commend the equilibrium of the Republic's dual constitution. It underscores the idealized roles ascribed to women, which may conflict with other interpretations that reveal a broader spectrum of roles for women throughout various socioeconomic groups in Rome.
What would you like to find out more about?
- How has Livy's version of the Lucretia narrative changed over time, and did other Roman historians provide divergent interpretations?
- The historical credibility of this narrative and the presence of archeological or literary evidence supporting Lucretia's existence.
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Indira Nichols
805
2024-11-24 21:55:53
I chose the reading, The Capture of the Sabine Women because I found it interesting that Romulus conspired to use this grand festival as a ruse to capture the women. The passage where Romulus tries to justify his actions. Romulus does not apologize for taking the women from their friends and families but tells them that they’d have “honorable wedlock, and share all their property and civil rights, and—dearest of all to human nature-would be the mothers of freemen.” He made this whole planned abduction seem like it was a necessity for Rome’s future. I think the author was trying to show Rome’s strong dedication to its survival or strength. The author tells how Rome overcame its acute women shortage and assimilated them into their new society. Through morally problematic actions, Romulus prioritized the greater good of Rome. I think this document tells us about Rome and its resilience. The author wants us as readers to understand how Rome grew strong by overcoming hardships, uniting people, and even after conflict, creating peace. The document tells me that Rome is a society where survival and expansion are justified but, often by harsh actions. I would be interested to find out more about Rome and its drastic measures for survival.
Week 11 Response
George Lorenzo
796
2024-11-24 20:22:42
The reading I picked for this week was The Rape of Lucretia by Livy. The reason I picked this reading is because it was honorable and pure that she decided to end her life just so other women can't use her as example for dishonor, but at the same time it was too extreme. The detail that jumped out to me was Lucretia’s taking her own life, despite her being innocent. She says "no woman shall use Lucretia as her example in dishonor". I think the author is trying to show her commitment to keep her legacy. Her values, purity and innocence meant everything to her, and she was willing to end her life to keep her honor. In my opinion what his document is telling us about this time and place, is how Roman society deeply valued honor and virtue and some people with integrity were willing to honor this ideal at any cost even if it meant dying for it like Lucretia. This document relates to our previous lessons as it shows how for women ,values ,purity , respect ,integrity and her reputation meant everything to them in ancient times. I would like to find out more about other women that were this brave, but not necessarily this extreme, in ancient Greece.
The rape of Lucretia
Jasmine Hernandez
797
2024-11-24 20:22:39
The reading I picked was the rape of Lucretia by Livy. The particular detail that jumped out at me is where Sextus decides to plan to violate Lucretia’s virtue due to his selfish desires of her. What I think the author was trying to communicate is show the extent of the brutality that was caused at the hands of Sextus and how his impulsive decisions ruined Lucretia’s life to where she felt she had to take matters into her own hands and execute her own life. What I think this document tells us about this particular time it comes from is the value the ancient Roman’s had within the women in their society. Similar to like ancient greece, a woman with virtue and having chastity held a significant stature with the men from this time period.
Week 11
Emely Corcino
791
2024-11-24 15:01:39
This week response I chose “The Rape of Lucretia” by Livy. I chose this reading because even though Lucretia was violated by Sextus she made sure thatll he’ll be punished for the crime he committed towards her. “I swear before you, O gods, to chase the King L. Tarquinius Superbus, with his criminal wife and all their offspring, by fire, iron, and all the methods I have at my disposal, and never to tolerate Kings in Rome evermore, whether of that family of any other.” This passage showed the type of husband Conlatinus was that he’ll avenge his wife. After losing Lucretia it seems with that passage he was ready to overthrow the royal hierarchy because of the actions Sextus committed, he felt superior to commit such a heinous crime because he felt like no actions would happen to him. One would agree that the author was trying show how the Roman women played a role when it came to their father’s and husbands. This document was in the ancient times where getting raped was considered a abomination to the family(even in today’s age with certain cultures) even if the family doesn’t blame the female like Lucretia family didn’t blame her, others could still find her dishonorable. Just like the two stories we read by Livey this week, how else did the Roman women impacted the men’s in their life, impacted Rome even how they impacted history.
Week 11: The Rape of Lucretia
Mayim Rabsatt
790
2024-11-24 14:09:06
For this week’s response I have chosen to analyze the primary source entitled “The Rape of Lucretia” from Livy because of the characterization of Lucretia and the shift in power systems that is attributed to ushering into Ancient Rome. The primary source begins with the men at the house of Sextus Tarquinis bragging about their wives with Tarquinius Colatinus stating that his wife, Lucretia is the best of all the wives. Colatinus claimed that his wife was the most worthy and brought all of the men to his home to prove this. Upon arrival Sextus Tarquinius was overcome with the desire to violate Lucretia because of her virtue and beauty which he would later do, since he knew as the King’s son he would be exempt from punishment. The reading ends after Lucretia’s rape in which she commits suicide and Brutus vowing to avenge Lucretia. This primary source displays what was valued in women as well as the power of the monarchy. In the primary source Lucretia’s virtue, chastity and honor was important to her characterization and value. Lucretia serves as the exemplar Roman woman in relation to fulfilling her duties. This is further shown in Lucretia’s reasoning for killing herself, as she did not want to become an example of Roman women’s dishonor or being absolved of her responsibility. Lucretia’s virtue and honor is unrelenting despite everything she was forced to endure. The primary source uses the rape of Lucretia to critique the monarchy and use this as an inciting incident to the overthrowing of the monarchy. The rape of Lucretia occurred partially because Sextus knew he could get away with raping Lucretia is because he is the son of a king. This heinous act exemplifies the unchecked power of the monarchy and why the people of Rome seeked to overthrow it.
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Hanifah Ahmed
783
2024-11-23 09:48:14
For This week's reading, I chose "The rape of Lucretia" from Livy's "History of Rome" I Chose this reading because it is a key legend in Roman history that provides insight into ancient Roman values, political transitions, and societal norms. The passage that stood out most was Lucretia’s declaration before taking her own life: "No woman shall use Lucretia as her example in dishonor." This line highlights her commitment to preserving her honor and the moral expectations for Roman women. The author is trying to communicate the significance of civic duty, dignity, and morality as fundamental Roman principles. This paper demonstrates a civilization that places a high value on public morality, social positions, and honor. It also emphasizes the conflict that existed in early Rome between public governance and private morality. The narrative lends credence to other narratives of early Rome that highlight the shift from monarchy to republicanism and the importance of civic virtue. It is consistent with notions of collective governance and opposition to tyranny, which were central to Roman identity. I'd like to know more about the story's historical context, namely how much of it is based on legend and how much on fact.
week 11 Responses
Kaylah Sanchez
777
2024-11-19 14:32:31
I chose to focus on the "Rape of Lucretia" from Livy's "History of Rome" because it is a key moment in Roman history that signals the end of the monarchy and the rise of the Roman Republic. This story is particularly intriguing because it blends themes of personal virtue, political power, and social justice, all of which resonate across time.One passage that particularly stood out to me was when Lucretia, after being assaulted by Sextus Tarquinius, decides to take her own life. Her decision to die rather than live with the shame of what happened demonstrates an extreme sense of personal honor and integrity. It was this sense of virtue that seemed to drive the subsequent revolt, showing how deeply personal actions could influence political change in ancient Rome.I think Livy was trying to communicate the importance of personal virtue in the foundation of Rome. The story underscores how the moral integrity of individuals, like Lucretia, could shape the fate of a nation. It suggests that the Roman people were driven by strong ethical ideals, and the act of revenge against the Tarquins was framed as a necessary step in the establishment of a republic grounded in these virtues.
This document reflects the values of ancient Roman society, where honor, public reputation, and personal sacrifice were paramount. It also reveals the societal tensions between monarchy and republic, highlighting the destructive consequences of a corrupt ruler. The story suggests that the Roman Republic was not just a political shift, but a moral one as well, as the people sought to rid themselves of a corrupt monarchy and replace it with a system that upheld virtuous ideals.When comparing this reading to other texts about Rome, such as those dealing with the Roman monarchy's later decline or the rise of the republic, Livy’s account seems to emphasize the moral and virtuous motivations behind political change, rather than the more pragmatic or military reasons often discussed in other accounts. This gives us a glimpse into Roman ideology about governance, where personal virtue could be just as important as military prowess.I would like to learn more about how this event was understood in the context of Roman gender norms and its portrayal in literature and art over time. How did the story of Lucretia evolve in Roman culture, and what role did it play in shaping Roman views on masculinity, honor, and political power?
Week 11
Gerieneldo Solano
775
2024-11-19 10:42:33
Which reading did you pick? Why did it interest you?
I selected The Capture of the Sabine Women by Livy because it serves as a foundational story of early Rome, blending elements of myth and history. I found it fascinating as an example of how Romans crafted narratives to justify their societal and political practices.
What passage or detail stood out to you?
A striking detail was how the Romans portrayed the abduction of the Sabine women as a necessary act for survival and as the beginning of a partnership between the women and their captors. The framing of violence as a means to achieve unity and stability was particularly thought-provoking.
What do you think the author was trying to communicate?
Livy seems to emphasize the pragmatic and strategic nature of Rome’s early leaders. He portrays the Sabine women as key figures in fostering peace, suggesting that their acceptance of their roles validated the actions of their abductors and contributed to Rome’s development. This framing appears to glorify Rome’s origins, even when rooted in conflict.
What does this document reveal about its time and place?
The document reflects a society focused on expansion, pragmatism, and unity while demonstrating a willingness to mythologize its past to justify questionable actions. It underscores the importance of forging a shared identity and highlights Rome’s destiny as a dominant power.
How does this document relate to, support, or contradict other readings?
This story aligns with other accounts of Rome’s determination to grow and integrate outsiders, such as narratives of military conquest. However, it contrasts with texts that emphasize justice and the rule of law, as the abduction of the Sabine women was inherently unjust, despite its later rationalization.
What would you like to learn more about?
I’m curious to delve into how this story was reinterpreted throughout Roman history and its impact on Roman views of women, marriage, and interactions with neighboring cultures. Additionally, exploring its role in political discourse during the Republic and Empire would be intriguing.