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Weekly Responses

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Topic: Living Unpublicly in Classical Athens

Due: Sun Oct 27

Prompt: What do this week’s primary source readings tell us about ideas of gender in the personal lives of the Greeks?

The documents for this week are:

For your online response this week, choose one of the primary source readings and write a post that includes the following:

  • Which reading did you pick? If there’s a reason it interested you, what was it?
  • What passage or detail in particular jumped out at you as you read through it?
  • What do you think the author was trying to communicate?
  • In your opinion, what is this document telling us about the time and place it comes from?
  • What would you like to find out more about?

Responses for Week 7

Response for Week 7

Alassane Sibane 756
2024-11-17 20:17:24

I chose the following reading "The Women at the Adonis Festival."One particularly noteworthy section of "The Women at the Adonis Festival" describes the women's deep grief and ceremonial customs related to Adonis's death and resurrection. The festival's emotional and symbolic elements are depicted in the poem with great detail, particularly how the women's mourning was not only an act of private sadness but also a ritual practiced by the community and connected to conception and the life-death cycle. They tend to emphasize themes of renewal, optimism, and the ability of ritual to bring about both spiritual and bodily repair, and their grief and subsequent delight at Adonis' resurrection demonstrate the close relationship between human emotions, seasonal cycles, and the divine. By highlighting the connections between women's rituals of celebration and sorrow and the cycles of nature, life, and death, the author most likely sought to illustrate the significance of the Adonis Festival as a collective expression of grieving and rejuvenation. According to this document, reproduction, seasonal cycles, and the role of women in preserving the balance between life and death were revered at the time and place it originated in a culture influenced by ancient Mediterranean religious rituals. It emphasizes how important ritual and emotional expression are to religious life, especially for women, who were integral to festivals that aimed to promote spiritual and agricultural rejuvenation. More information regarding women's roles in ancient Mediterranean religious festivals would be interesting to me, especially how their involvement in events like the Adonis Festival affected their social and spiritual standing.

Imagining the likes of

Jay-Dani Guzmán 746
2024-11-17 15:09:26

As my choice of presentation was the Bacchae for this week I am certain that it was the most interesting reading of this week. I will probably reiterate my points describing this as a story of men rebelling against [a] God where women anchor said men in the spiritual sphere of said God. This analysis is highly interpolated with monotheistic tendencies but I think yields some fruit through the comparison. Had it not been for women's service as anchors to the spiritual world in this story one can imagine that Dionysus the deity of this story would have made an example of the Thebans the likes of Sodom or Gomorrah or the people of Ad from Abrahamic traditions. I do wonder at the aftermath of the events of the Bacchae both in the direct aftermath and in the generations following and how they reconstructed/reconfigured their status.

Week 8 response

[Former classmate] 677
2024-11-03 21:47:45

The reading I chose is Sophocles from Antigone. Despite the passage of thousands of years since Sophocles penned Antigone, the play continues to be intriguing because it addresses universal themes that continue to be important. "I will bury him; and if I must die, I say that this crime is holy I shall lie down With him in death, and I shall be as dear To him as he is to me. This line is powerful because Antigone makes it clear her willingness to face the consequences of her actions, valuing her family and divine law over her own life. Sophocles from Antigone shares deep ideas about what justice is, how much power people have, and what happens when you're too proud. Sophocles was able to explore basic questions about human existence and social order by giving each character a unique view on duty, power, and morals.

Response for Week 7

Yvelise Peña 635
2024-10-27 23:48:42

I picked Theocritus "Women at the Adonis Festival," because it offers a unique window into the everyday lives of women in the Hellenistic world, blending personal and public spheres. It intrigued me because of its mix of humor, cultural insight, and ritual observance, which is rare in ancient literature where male-centric narratives often dominate. I think Theocritus was trying to humanize the experiences of everyday people in a sophisticated cultural setting like Alexandria. By focusing on two women, their banter, and their perspective on household duties and public rituals, he was possibly critiquing or gently mocking the city's complex social structure. He blends humor with religious reverence to show how ordinary people participated in grand events, but from their own down-to-earth, sometimes skeptical perspective. The festival of Adonis, with its rich symbolism of life, death, and rebirth, serves as a backdrop to reveal social interactions and attitudes toward class, gender roles, and religion.

Response Week 7

George Lorenzo 632
2024-10-27 23:23:28

The reading I picked for this week was “ Women at the Adonis Festival” from Theocritus. The reason why I picked this reading is because it gives us a peak on people's behavior and their art of during these cults and festivities from Alexandria. One detail in the passage that jumped out to me was when Praxinoa is pushed around in the crowd, then sarcastically thanks a stranger for helping her keep her cloak safe, saying, “You deserve to be all right to the end of your days.” I found this line both funny and natural, showing the festival contrasts with the struggle of moving through a crowd. This scene makes you feel like you're part of the festival, as your interacting with the people, which I believe is what the author is trying to communicate. In my opinion This document gives us an insight of life in ancient Alexandria, showing us how busy and diverse the city was. Also shows how women could freely go to public events and talk openly. I would like find out more about other festivities in ancient times. 

Week 7 Response

Leonardo Osorio 629
2024-10-27 23:03:28

The reading that I chose for this week was "The Women at the Adonis Festival". This reading interested me because there's details in there that can still be seen and applied in modern day. For example, the way Praxinoa and Gorgo talked about their husbands and how they have that connection and friendship of sharing their domestic complaints. I think the author was trying to communicate how women lived an ordinary live in public spaces. It emphasizes how they socialize and navigate through the festival. This can also be seen when Praxinoa defends herself from the stranger, refusing to be silenced and talked down upon further showing public interactions. I think this reading tells us about women in male dominated spaces and how they navigated around it at this time. I want to learn more about if there were more opportunities like these where women socialized with other people in Alexandria.

Week 7

Emely Corcino 626
2024-10-27 20:38:43

This week reading I choose which was also my presentation was “ The Women in The Adonis Festival” by Theocritus. The reason it interested me because of the difference between other Greek women’s like the Serpent and Athen women’s. When Praxinoa said “Mind you keep hold of me, Eunoa. Oh dear, oh dear, Gorgo! my summer cloak’s torn right in two.[6] (to a stranger) For Heaven’s sake, as you wish to be saved, mind my cloak, sir.” I felt like reading that passage probably meant woman especially women’s in Praxinoa status were able to express themselves however they like towards men’s. As mentioned on my presentation I felt like the author tried to show the evolution of women’s and how women felt or view other women’s. This was during a time in Ancient Greeks, which I felt was showing the difference on how Greek woman act in Syracuse, Athen and the Serpent. I would love to learn more about other Greek women and how different they act. 

Week 7 Response

Christopher Varian 624
2024-10-27 20:09:14

Father, now you can be truly proud. 

Among all living men you’ve produced 

by far the finest daughters. I’m talking 

of all of us, but mostly of myself. 

I’ve left behind my shuttle and my loom, 

and risen to great things, catching wild beasts 

with my bare hands. Now I’ve captured him, 

I’m holding in my arms the finest trophy, 

as you can see, bringing it back home to you, 

so it may hang here. 

In this passage Agave says she has left the shuttle and loom behind to do great things. Those great things are hunting wild beast in the woods. She has abandoned her womanly pursuits in favor of activities that are usually the province of men. However, she has been fooled by Dionysus and does not realize the great beast she has killed is her son, Pentheus. Dionysus’ behavior is right in line with how the Greek gods have been described thus far, petty, vengeful, powerful, a hardship for humanity. In response to not being recognized and worshipped by the people of Thebes, Dionysus sets out to teach them a lesson. He enchants the women of Thebes sending them running into the forest and mountains. In most ancient Greek cultures males were very protective of their females. By enchanting the women of Thebes and driving them from their homes Dionysus attack male Greek pride while also distributing Thebes society by removing the caretakers, the women. Also, women in ancient Greek culture were seen as corrupting and deceitful, it would stand to reason they would be susceptible to those things from a clever and powerful male god.  Agave kills her own son in complete juxtaposition to what Greek women represent. They are the givers of life and the protectors of the future. I believe part of this represents the idea of the corruptible nature of women and how they can be the downfall of men. It also highlights the petty nature of the gods and the troubles and griefs they put humans through. it is also fitting of the image of women at the time that they are corrupted by what can be seen as a debaucherous Greek god. 

Week 7: Response

Mayim Rabsatt 621
2024-10-27 18:08:41

For this week’s response I have chosen to analyze the primary source “Women at the Adonis Festival” by Theocritus. I chose to analyze this primary source because of its depiction of women, specifically women and their connection to mourning. In this reading the close relationship between women and mourning is portrayed as the festival in which the women are attending is a celebration of Adonis’s death. In this reading women are also shown to be openly discussing sexuality, openly ogling the actor portraying Adonis. I found this aspect of the story interesting because it depicts an aspect of women that is not commonly shown. In the following lines Praxinoa states “And then the Holy Boy; how perfectly beautiful he looks lying on his silver couch, with the down of manhood just showing on his cheeks,—(religioso) the thrice-beloved Adonis, beloved even down below!” These lines stood out to me because it is such an outright expression of sexuality and desire that is not commonly seen in stories of Ancient Greece in this way.

The Bacchae by Euripides

Jasmine Hernandez 616
2024-10-27 13:20:44

The reading I chose to pick was the Bacchae by Euripides. The passage that jumped out of me was where Dionysus was able to trick Pentheus to disguise himself as a woman to watch the Bacchae. What I think the author was trying to communicate is to show the flaws of the god’s and how immoral and vengeful they can be. Pentheus may have denied the divinity & influence of Dionysus in Thebes but wasn’t really justifiable to lead to his own demise. What I think Euripides was telling in this document about this place and time is how citizens in Ancient Greece were shifting there focus on the worship of the gods and further exposing how the gods vengeful decisions are possibly more harmful than good. 

week 7 Response

Hanifah Ahmed 613
2024-10-27 08:53:56

For this reading, I selected “The Women at the Adonis Festival”. This passage interested me because it combines both the personal and the social lives of ordinary people in ancient Alexandria. The passage stood out because of its relatable, humorous portrayal of women navigating a crowded, urban festival setting.

One detail that jumped out was Praxinoa’s quip about her husband, Dinon, who, despite being "six feet of folly," misunderstands her request for soap and rouge and instead brings home salt. This humor sheds light on the dynamics of marriage in that era. The Author seems to be highlighting the universal nature of such experiences, bringing dignity and attention to women's voices and their everyday experiences, which were often overlooked in other classical literature.

I would like to learn more about how festivals like the Adonis Festival served as spaces for women to socialize and participate in public life and what other social functions they might have held. Additionally, exploring how Theocritus’s portrayal compares to other Greek or Roman representations of women’s voices and humor would deepen understanding of his unique literary contribution.

Response for week 7

Marlene Mata 607
2024-10-26 16:19:02

The reading I picked was “The Women at the Adonis Festival." The reason I did it was because Baccahe will be covered in class, so I would like more time to explore women's role in society while getting the best of both worlds of knowledge; it's efficient. A passage that jumped out to me as I read it was "GORGO O Praxinoa! What clever things we women are! I do envy her knowing all that and still more having such a lovely voice. But I must be getting back. It’s Diocleidas’ dinnertime, and that man’s all pepper [13]. I wouldn’t advise anyone to come near him, even when he’s kept waiting for his food. Goodbye, Adonis, darling, and I only trust you may find us all thriving when you come next year." I really liked it as it shows community with women and happiness but also showing slight envy, which would be a common feeling amongst women most likely in a competitive society. It also shows she's still able to be kind regardless, though. I believe the author was trying to communicate women's frustrations and the challenges they face with their husbands and the challenges of motherhood, highlighting their strengths but also their experiences. This reading also shows us the challenges Gorgo has, as she claims her husband can be as spicy as pepper if in a bad mood, but showing she has a good relationship enough to joke with him. In my opinion, this tells us about the time period we learn about where women have expectations to be good wives and be kind and beautiful but still feel the expectations and can reasonably be upset about it. I'd like to find out how children played roles at these festivals. We saw the roles of men and women, but now I'm curious if they have any involvements or even ceremonies that promote marriages or coming of age.

Week 7 response

Raja K Ajaz 606
2024-10-26 15:49:26

For this week's response, I have chosen Euripides' "The Bacchae." This particular reading shows just how petty and jealous the Greek Gods were. A man named Pentheus had begun to doubt the god Dionysus and his religious teachings, and he paid for this heresy with his life. Disguised as a mortal, Dionysus had come to Pentheus' home city of Thebes and made the women of the city go into a state of frenzy. This, unfortunately, leads to Pentheus being killed by his own mother, who rips him limb for limb, perceiving him to be a lion. She only realizes her grievous mistake after the god reveals it to her. This story follows a trend in Greek mythology where mortals are punished for disobeying the gods. What interests me about this is that this story is one that inadvertently preaches moderation. As Dionysus had been the god of wine and alcohol, and the women of Thebes had also been induced into an almost drunken state. I do wonder if this may be a reason why the Greeks diluted their wine with water.

Wk 7

Indira Nichols 604
2024-10-25 22:34:08

Of course, I had to pick the reading from The Bacchae. I recognized the story right at its climax, reminding me of a show I had watched. After their plane crashed in the woods, a soccer team of girls had to survive for months, and in their starved hallucinogenic frenzy, they almost decapitated another character. For this scene, the show portrayed the female characters dressed in Greek attire and it was like a lightbulb went off when I realized I had already vaguely known this story. After reading the passage, it was shocking to read that it was Pentheus's mother who had beheaded him. She was in such a frenzied state of worship, that she perceived her son as a lion and murdered him. I believe the author aimed to show the consequences of disrespecting the Gods. Pentheus was threatened by Dionysus; he doubted the God and rejected his religious traditions. In response, the God came in disguise to punish Thebes. This contradicts many documents from that era, which depict women as devoted to their private lives, staying at home to care for the house and children. In this story, however, the women set aside their daily routines to join the wild, frenzied Bacchic revelry of Dionysus. As morbid as it sounds, I enjoy reading the stories about the Gods and how they unleash their divinity on humanity just to prove their power and the authority they hold. I like to find out more about the Gods who interact with humanity and their outcomes.

Week 7 Response

Kaylah Sanchez 599
2024-10-23 19:37:53

I focused on "Women at the Adonis Festival" because it intricately weaves themes of beauty, grief, and communal rituals. The emotional depth and cultural significance of the festival intrigued me, highlighting how ancient societies dealt with loss.One detail that stands out is the vivid descriptions of the women's lamentations and their offerings to Adonis. The imagery of flowers, tears, and songs encapsulates the profound sorrow they feel, making their grief palpable and relatable.Theocritus seems to communicate the importance of ritual in expressing human emotions. Through the collective mourning for Adonis, he illustrates how beauty and love are intertwined with loss, emphasizing the fragility of life.

This poem reflects a Hellenistic culture deeply engaged with the concepts of beauty, nature, and the divine. It shows that communal rituals were vital for processing emotions, especially for women, who often played central roles in such ceremonies.I’d like to learn more about the historical context of the Adonis Festival—its origins, rituals, and how it was celebrated across different regions. Understanding its significance could provide deeper insights into societal values and the role of gender in ancient Greek culture.

week 7

Gerieneldo Solano 598
2024-10-23 14:24:02

Which reading did you pick? If there’s a reason it interested you, what was it?

I chose "Women at the Adonis Festival" because it provides a captivating glimpse into the religious and cultural roles of women in ancient Greece, a perspective often overshadowed in historical accounts that mainly highlight male figures. Exploring their involvement, especially through poetry, offers a fresh and insightful view of ancient Greek society.

What passage or detail in particular jumped out at you as you read through it?

The passage that caught my attention was the vivid portrayal of the festival preparations—the abundance of flowers, perfumes, and the intricate details of the Adonis effigies. These sensory descriptions emphasize the aesthetic and ritualistic elements of the festival, mirroring the myth of Adonis, who was revered for his beauty.

What do you think the author was trying to communicate?

Theocritus seems to underscore the sense of community among women and their spiritual connection through the festival. The detailed descriptions suggest that religious observance was not only about devotion but also about celebrating beauty, life, and social bonds. It may also hint at the subtle power and agency women held within these religious spaces, despite their limited public roles.

In your opinion, what is this document telling us about the time and place it comes from?

The document illustrates the central role of festivals and religious rituals in Hellenistic culture, highlighting how worship of figures like Adonis was woven into everyday life. It also reflects the gender dynamics of the era even though women were largely confined to domestic roles, they found spaces of influence and expression within religious ceremonies.

What would you like to find out more about?

I’m curious to explore the roles women played in other Greek religious festivals and how their participation varied across different city-states. Additionally, I’d like to delve into how these festivals evolved over time, particularly in response to changes in political or cultural power during the Hellenistic period.